Jesus Wants Loving Obedience

ObedienceEvery true Christian wants to have a winning witness, a testimony that demonstrates Jesus makes a difference in their life. They want the world around them to see Jesus in them. But unfortunately, that is not always the case. All too frequently the image the world has of Christians is one of hypocrisy and compromise.

I have found many people today who profess to be Christians are living lives that are not significantly different from the world around them. I have read survey after survey, which demonstrates evangelical Christians are as likely to embrace lifestyles every bit as hedonistic, materialistic, self-centered, and sexually immoral as the world in general. Divorce is more common among born again Christians than in the general American population. Noted Christian apologist Josh McDowell has pointed out sexual promiscuity of evangelical youth is only a little less outrageous than that of their non-evangelical peers.

As much as I would love to discredit these observations, I cannot. If my experience as a pastor has taught me anything, it has taught me this is true. You and I don’t have to look outside the church to find adultery, spousal abuse, crooked business practices, gossip, jealously, and strife. Sadly, all of these things are often found among God’s people. And it is so obvious that you don’t have to be on the inside to notice it. The world around us has become keenly aware of the inconsistencies in our witness.

You might say, “We’ll that’s fine and good pastor, but we’re not the only religion which has hypocrites, all religions have people who profess one thing and practice another.” And while you would be right, I would point out we are the only religion that has the truth. We are the only ones who serve a risen Savior who has the power to transform our lives, to enable us to overcome the world.

If the world around us does not see a difference in our lives, how are they to know that Jesus is real? If we don’t live a different life, a transformed life, what hope do they have that they can be delivered from sin, set free from its power and transformed into a newness of life? Is it any wonder that many people say Christians are the biggest reason they don’t want to accept Christ? Did Jesus know this would happen within His church? Interesting and prophetically, Jesus addresses this very issue in today’s text. Look with me at Matthew 7:24-29:

Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.’ When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at His teaching, because He taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.

As we have discussed previously, every good sermon is geared towards application. It is not enough we should merely know truth; truth must be put into practice if it is to be beneficial to us. Remembering that we have not been given Scripture simply to make us smart, but primarily to instruct us in godliness, Jesus sums up His great sermon by calling us to action; by telling us the reason He has taught us is so that we might be obedient. He says hearing without doing is foolish and wisdom dictates we will practice what He has preached. There are three things we find in these verses that demand our attention.

1. Our reception to Jesus’ message

The focus here is on what we have heard Jesus say. There are a variety of things people want to attribute to Jesus, but as we look back over this sermon what have we heard Jesus say?

We have heard Him teach on how we are to live as Christians. The beatitudes show us we must become humble, or poor in spirit, we must mourn over our sin, meekly accepting God’s view of us as sinners in need of a Savior, we must hunger and thirst after righteousness and find that only Jesus can satisfy our hunger and thirst. Then, we will be filled, transformed by the renewing of our hearts and minds.

Jesus has taught us to let our light shine before men, so that they will see our good works and glorify our Father in heaven. We have heard Jesus say that it is not keeping the law externally, but rather what goes on in our hearts that He sees. Sin is not something we merely do externally, but something that begins internally, in the realm of our thoughts and desires.

We have heard Jesus say our words matter and if we are His disciples, we will live our lives ever cognizant of the reality that God knows our hearts and sees our every action. We will be loving, forgiving, compassionate, faithful, trusting; and we will make His righteousness and kingdom the priority of our lives. This is what we have heard Jesus say.

There are many, however, who do not take what Jesus says seriously. They are like those in the parable of the seeds and the sower, who hear the Word but soon forget what they have heard; who allow other things, material things or temporal things, to drown out the words of our Lord.

Contrary to what many think of our Lord’s teaching, His message has not been one of lofty, warm fuzzy platitudes, but a serious call to discipleship; a message which calls us to abandon our selves and submit our wills, our hearts, and our lives to His Lordship. It is a solemn call to devout and committed discipleship that will separate us from the world around us. Make no mistake about it; this is what we have heard Jesus say. The call here is for a positive response, which brings us to our second observation.

2. Our response to His message

Throughout Scripture, we are commanded not merely to hear, but to obey. James 1:22-25 says, “Do not merely listen to the Word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the Word, but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.” Notice, the emphasis is not on knowing, but on responding positively.

We know a lot more than we practice. Like those who are ever learning, but are never able to come to the knowledge of truth, there are many professing Christians who are ever learning, but because the knowledge of truth comes by applying the truth to their lives, they have never really come to understand it on a practical or experiential level.

It never ceases to amaze me how many of the Christians I read about in third world countries, who are fortunate to own a Bible, much less any other religious material, who are far more committed in their discipleship than western Christians who have vast libraries of biblical material at their disposal. The issue here is not on what we know, but on how we respond to or act on what we know.

Jesus says there are two responses to His message: (1) to hear and obey; (2) to hear and disobey. There is no middle ground; either we hear and obey, or we hear and disobey. Jesus makes it absolutely clear. Knowing is not sufficient, giving mental ascent to His message, in and of itself will not do, even being a church member is not going to get us to heaven. If we are really His disciples and if we really follow Him, we will do what He has said. That is the line of separation, the difference between those who authentically are His disciples and those who merely claim to be.

Those who hear and obey are likened to the wise man who builds his house upon the rock. When the rain falls, wind blows, and flood comes, his house stands. But those who hear and for whatever reason fail to obey, their lives will not stand. The rain, wind, and flood will destroy them.

The foundation of our lives is truth. This is the truth we find in the Word of God. The building blocks of our life are to be found in obedience to His Word. When our lives are transformed by His power, when the indwelling of His Holy Spirit forever changes our hearts, our actions will consequently change as well.

Those who hear and obey are building with solid rock. Those who hear and disobey are building with sand. The quality of the material with which we build our lives will always be tested and will ultimately be tested on judgment day when the books are opened and the truth of our lives are examined before all of creation.

Jesus is telling us here that the authenticity of our discipleship will be readily evident in how we respond to what He has told us. If we do not love our neighbors as ourselves, if we do not forgive as we have been forgiven, if we are hypercritical and judgmental, if we hold anger and resentment in our hearts, if we do not love as we have been loved, in spite of what we profess, irrespective of what we might claim, we are not His disciples. His disciples practice what He has preached.

They are not practicing what He preaches in order to become His disciples, but rather they are practicing what He preaches because they have been transformed; they love Him and have been enabled through His power to keep His commandments. Salvation is not through works, but is evidenced by our works.

Jesus is clearly calling for a positive response to His message. He is calling us to hear and to obey. He is asking us to take a long hard look at our lives to see where we are spiritually. Jesus is summing up His sermon by asking us to examine our lives, to see if we are building our lives on the solid rock of His truth or on the sinking sands of false philosophies. He does this because there are results or consequences to our choices. That’s the final thing I want you to note from this text. Jesus is calling us to a serious time of self-examination because the results of our response to His message are eternal.

3. The results of our obediencefootsteps-of-christ

Look again at what our Lord says in verses 24-27. 

Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.

The results are clear. There is a stark contrast between those who hear and obey, and those who hear and disobey. Those who hear and obey have eternal life; nothing can take it from them. Their lives are built on the solid rock. Those who hear and disobey are building their houses on sand. Whatever they have built will not stand the test of time.

In the world in which you and I live, everyone is building something. Some are building lives that will last; they are walking in obedience to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. They are in constant fellowship with Him, sensitive to His Spirit’s voice, listening carefully, leaning not on their own understanding, but in all their ways acknowledging Him. Their lives are being built with solid, indestructible materials.

But others are building their lives with things that cannot last. Their houses may look similar, externally they may be similar in appearance to those built of rock, but structurally they are different. They are built upon a shoddy foundation, upon the ever changing sands of human efforts and self will.

There is a mournful danger in every age that men will hear Christ’s servants preach and will themselves read in His written Word, and stop at that, without doing anything about what they read or hear. Jesus is asking each of us, “Are you doing what I have said?”

To what degree are you and I obeying the teachings of our Lord, and to what degree are we making excuses for our disobedience? Upon what are you building your life today? Are you building your life on the solid rock of God’s Word? Are the building materials of your life made of acts of obedience? Will what you are building stand the test of time?

Or, perhaps you know, deep within your heart that there is a difference between what you profess and what you possess – that when all things are revealed, you will be found out to be a fraud. Perhaps you are reading these words and deep within your heart you know that you are not walking in obedience to what Jesus has said. Others may think you are a fine upstanding Christian, it’s not really that difficult to fool others. It is, however, impossible to fool God.

Right now, God is calling you to Himself. He is calling you to become a true disciple, an authentic follower of His. He is calling you to commit yourself to Him and to His kingdom.

Maybe you’ve never given your heart and life to Jesus and for the very first time, you want to confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you want to know forgiveness of sins and the peace that only He can give you. Or, perhaps there are some areas of your life where you know you are not walking the talk, not living the Christian life others think you live.

This is a time of decision, a time to do business with God. This is the hour, this is the day; the time for you to change your eternal destiny is now. Today, you can choose to hear and obey. If you need to give your heart and life to Jesus, I want you to do that.

Perhaps you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, but you need to be obedient and follow Him in some course of action He has been calling you to do. Perhaps you’re reading these words and the Spirit of God has convicted you, showing you there is a discrepancy between what you say and what you do. And He is leading you to say that you will recommit yourself to become the disciple Jesus has called you to be, to follow Him wherever He leads, to do whatever He says, to hold nothing back, but to follow Him with total abandon, to surrender everything you are and have to Him, to walk in perfect obedience.

This is a time for each of us to examine our own walk with God to see whether or not we have a winning witness or a waning witness: “Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?” (2 Cor. 13:5).


  1. Question: If a person who claims to be a Christian and has done many of the things mentioned above in your 3rd paragraph, and has really messed up their reputation as a Christian and even tho they have returned to Christ and renewed their lives, how would that person show they have changed and fix their reputation? This is a great post, thanks. Correna

    1. Turn around and live the opposite way.
      Confess your sin to God first
      Ask forgiveness of those you have wronged where possible
      Make it up to those people by paying back what you have taken where that applies.
      Do not believe the evil one’s lies and LIVE FOR GOD

    2. Great question, Correna! I could do an entire sermon on this. Here’s a short answer for now, though.

      Rededicating our life to Christ is a good start. God will always embrace us when we repent and run to us when we return. However, most people will need to see a change in our lifestyle before our reputation (the impression they have of us) will change in their eyes. We cannot erase the past, but we can always shine Christ’s light before men going forward!

      Fortunately, Jesus Christ is our “Advocate.” He represents us before God’s throne and the merits of His sacrifice make possible the forgiveness of our sin. Because Christ died for His people, He satisfied the justice of God. Because He lives for us at God’s right hand, He can apply His sacrifice to our needs day-by-day. All He asks is that when we have failed, we confess our sins to Him.

      What does it mean to confess? To confess sins means much more than simply to “admit” them. The word “confess” actually means “to say the same thing [about].” To confess sin, then, means to say the same thing about it that God says about it.

      Confession is not praying a lovely prayer, or making pious excuses, or trying to impress God and other Christians. True confession is naming sin—calling it by name what God calls it: envy, hatred, lust, deceit, or whatever it may be. Confessions simply means being honest with ourselves and with God, and if others are involved, being honest with them too. It is more than admitting sin. It means judging sin and facing it squarely.

      By walking in the light, we are able to see the “dirt” in our lives and deal with it immediately. God will always forgive us when we confess our sins to Him, but our reputation will only change in peoples’ eyes when we make restitution with them and they see us live differently.

      What are your thoughts?

      1. My thoughts? Well, I asked the question not for myself as I already knew the answer, but to find out your view on it, and I have to thankfully agree with your answer 100 %. My thought would be also that (and this is from experience) we have to answer to God for whatever way we have lived on this earth, and we will stand alone to be accounted, we can’t blame anyone else for our lives. As Laurie has said to make things right with those you have wronged. Put it in the past and move on. To rebuild a reputation is not an easy task, but the Lord will direct us where He wants us and He will make our paths straight as we follow Him. Jesus said that the world will hate us as Christians, and we should expect that, as they did it to Him. What we need to be concerned with after we make things right with God is to be the example He wants us to be and leave the rest to Him. He will open others eyes to our change if He wills it. Many people wont care whether you have changed or not, they are too concerned with what is happening to them to notice, but then some will. It is our job to be faithful, and to live for God no matter what anyone else says about us. Jesus was lied about and His name and reputation were seen as evil and He had never even sinned, so if not having any sin and this happened to Jesus, it will to us as sinners as well. So we need to keep our eyes on Him and follow in His way, even tho we have sinned and repented of it. God will use us as we seek after Him. God forgives us, and we forgive ourselves, and others, and turn from our sinful ways, and be the best witness we can be, and people will eventually see, and if they don;t we don’t live for people anyway, we live for God. We must daily examine our lives to see if we are sinning in any way, ask God to show us, repent, (Jesus has promised to forgive us) and stop doing the sin and go on with living for Him.
        Thanks for this study, i really appreciate all the posts you provide and it is obvious that God speaks through you, Every post I have read has been exactly as I have been taught to believe from my own Pastor. It is good to know that there are some Pastors out there that really want and tell the truth from God’s Word.
        Have a great day in Jesus!!

  2. So sad. My pastor spoke a message on the Parable of the Sower yesterday. He mentioned how much of Christian America suffers from thorny soil – allowing seeds of the world to take root and choke out God’s kingdom work in our hearts. Great post! Thanks for sharing!

  3. The biggest question I would ask is: “Why are they still accepted within the Christian circle. A person that acts like that and claims a Christian association should be shunned until repentance is achieved. Another point to consider: Why are there so many unsaved people in church? Isn’t ‘church’ supposed to be a ‘Christian’ gathering to learn about the God already accepted and to worship that same God? This has perplexed me quite a bit about today’s churches. When the church started, respect for the church was kept rather high and ‘not everyone’ was immediately welcomed. I think this is why Christianity gets a bad rap. Because true believers are afraid to make a distinction between themselves and those that only profess a faith rather than live it out. (PS – You only see this in westernized nations. Other nations don’t seem to have this problem.

    1. Great questions, Raul! I am interested in dialoguing about this. Between the two of us (and anyone else who wants to join the discussion), perhaps we can arrive at an answer. I’ll type a short response, get your and others feedback, type another comment, get your and others feedback, etc.

      “Why are they still accepted within the Christian circle?”

      I think all of us, including myself, have been guilty of many failings. My intention is not to defend or excuse our sins, but to expose a truth which is sometimes ignored. Christians come out of all kinds of backgrounds including idolatry, adultery, prostitution, homosexuality, and addiction. Those who sin in these ways can have their lives changed by Christ. Their past does not automatically and irrevocably exclude them from Heaven. However, those who say they are Christians and persist in these practices with no sign of remorse need to reevaluate their lives to see if they truly believe in Christ.

      “A person that acts like that and claims a Christian association should be shunned until repentance is achieved.”

      Yes and no. Any rebuke we give should be gentle and in private at first. In Matthew 18:15-17, Jesus gives guidelines for dealing with other Christians who sin in the context of the church. Jesus’ words are not a license for frontal attacks on every person who hurts us or slights us. They are not a license to start a destructive gossip campaign. They are designed to reconcile us, so that we can live in harmony with other believers in the church. Jesus says when a believer sins against another, the two of them should discuss the matter privately. If the matter can be settled on that level, then there is no need for it to go any further. But if the sinning brother refuses to listen, then two or three witnesses should be taken along for a clear testimony. If the sinning brother still fails to recognize his error, the situation should be told before the entire church. At this point, if he still refuses to repent of his sin, then he is to be treated as a “pagan or tax collector.”

      “Why are there so many unsaved people in church?”

      God is concerned for all people, including the sinful and hurting ones. Jesus spent time with whoever needed or wanted to hear His message. Jesus gladly associated with sinners because He loved them (Mark 2:15-17). Jesus came into the world to save sinners, those who humbly acknowledge their need for Him and receive His gracious forgiveness to God’s kingdom. The first step to following Jesus is acknowledging our need for Him. Those who are sure they are righteous cannot be saved.

      Throughout the Gospels, Jesus is seen talking with sinners, tending to the sick and disadvantaged, and preaching to great crowds. He is unswervingly committed to reaching people and changing hearts. When He ascends into heaven, He tells His disciples to make more disciples as they preach, teach, and baptize (Mt. 28:19-20). He gives them their job description, knowing that as they fulfill their assignment, they would carry on His work. It is up to the disciples to carry out the mission in His absence.

      What made the early church grow? These early Christians were instructed in the Word as they met, they fellowshipped together, they prayed, they witnessed God’s power and depended upon it, they were generous, they met together in their homes, and they praised God (Acts 2:42-47). They did the work of ministry. They sold their possessions and gave to anyone as he had need. They lived the Christian life while continually sharing Christ with others. They depended on the filling of the Holy Spirit for power as they served the Lord.

      The church grew rapidly right from the start! “And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.” The early days of Christianity were exciting! God’s Spirit moved, people’s lives were changed, and the church grew. The book of Acts presents the history of a dynamic, growing community of believers. The church was for everyone, not only saved people. Church growth was expected as the Lord used the church to bring the lost to faith in Him. In the book of Acts, most accounts of church meetings indicate that lost people were also present and were deciding to place their faith in Christ. Paul also referred to unbelievers being in the church right along with the saved (1 Cor. 14:22-25). The early church conducted its services in such a way that the gospel was understandable to the lost.

      It has always been the work of the church to lead people into a growing relationship with Christ. It was true during the days of the disciples in the New Testament and it is true today. Making disciples is what God wants us to do. This is the clearest command He gives us in Scripture. In a world that changes faster than textbooks can record, the church must be accountable to its timeless mission – to make disciples.

      Certainly, this answer is not exhaustive. As I said, I would rather dialogue about this. What do you think?

      1. Actually, you hit it on the button!

        For example, in I Corinthians, there is an implication that unbelievers would visit a congregation. But… That is not really where I was going with what I mentioned though.

        I’m glad you pointed out Matthew 18 and would add I Corinthians 5 along with it. Here’s what I’m seeing. The church back then did not shun anyone but the church back then also did not tolerate everyone. Today? That’s a different story.

        Also, when believers met, the reason for the meeting is to worship the God that they have already accepted. The assembly never was meant for unbelievers. Surely, unbelievers were more than welcomed to visit and hopefully, by the words being said, come to believe but… it was the ministry’s job, outside of the meeting times, to evangelize. I don’t see that type of thing happening today in westernized churches.

        The reason I say that I don’t see this is that no one is really being ‘taught’ to do the work of the ministry. I visit a church and I hear a pastor give a half hour sermon (hoping against hope that the passages he uses actually have anything to do with what he’s preaching) and then calls for an altar call. After this, everyone goes home with this ‘peaceful’ feeling (I don’t know where that came from because, from my understanding at least, people should be leaving convicted of sin with a desire to change or, at least, have come to a greater knowledge of their God).

        Certainly, you can see why I’m pretty frustrated with ‘church’.

        Mostly, the mission of the ‘assembling ourselves together’ for the purposes found in Ephesians 4:11-15 I just don’t see happening.

        1. I hear you, Raul. I too am frustrated. I don’t see what you are describing in many western churches either, although there are a few. It truly is sad when the church loses sight of her mission and purpose. So, what are we to do instead?

          To demonstrate the impact His disciples would make on their world, Jesus used two common illustrations: salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16). His followers would be like salt because they would create a thirst for Him. If salt fails to be salty, it has lost its purpose for existence and should be discarded. Jesus also said if they lived like Him, they would shine like lights, showing others what He is like. A light is meant to shine and give direction. Jesus’ disciples would obviously radiate and point others to Him. Their influence would be evident, like a city on a hill or a lamp on its stand. A concealed lamp would be useless. Light-radiating Christians live so that others see their good deeds and give praise not to them but to their Father in heaven.

          When Jesus called Matthew (Levi) to be one of His disciples, he immediately got up and followed, leaving a lucrative career (Matthew 9:9). When Matthew left his tax-collecting booth, he guaranteed himself unemployment. He had a clear idea of how much it would cost him to follow Jesus, yet he did not hesitate for a moment. The day Matthew met Jesus, he held a meeting at his house to introduce others to Jesus. He did not waste any time starting to witness.

          The Samaritan woman at the well immediately shared her experience with Jesus. Despite her reputation, many people came out to meet Christ and believed in Him (John 4:39)

          God has given the Church (individual believers, not the building we meet in) an enormous responsibility – to make disciples in every nation. This involves preaching, teaching, baptizing, healing, nurturing, giving, administering, and many other tasks. God calls all of us as members of His body to work together. Some of us can do one task; some can do another. Together, we can obey God more fully than any of us could alone. It is human tendency to overestimate what we can do by ourselves and to underestimate what we can do as a group. The Holy Spirit has given each Christian spiritual gifts for the purpose of building up His church, so it is crucial we use them. By working together, we can express the fullness of Christ and grow His church.

          As modern-day disciples, we have the written Word of God by which Jesus gives us clear and direct instructions. We have received our assignment and it is up to us to complete the task. The church belongs to Jesus Christ and is the Body of Christ. The church is to proclaim salvation to all people and summon people to Christ. The church must gather together those that are called.

          The church is a household (Eph. 2:19; 1 Tim. 3:15), that is, an organized family. Just as a building grows during construction, so too the church grows when new believers are added to it. We are commanded to evangelize. Those who refuse to do so are not in step with the Bible. Since alter calls have become the trend of the day, what do you think is the most effective way to convince believers that “all of us” are responsible to evangelize and reach out to the lost?

          1. I like your last question. The truth is, I don’t believe it was God’s design to evangelize from the pulpit. The pulpit is to prepare those that are already convinced to better convince others.

            I can’t speak for every local church but for things to work as they should, I believe that certain distinctions need to be made on a universal scale.
            1. Pastors and church leaders need to start ‘intensive training’ of those that are under their care in aspects concerning evangelism, personal righteousness, discernment and simply get to know your God by the only way possible, his word.
            2. Christians, as a whole, need to start to distinguish themselves from those that claim to be and are not. I bring this up because of something that is happening to what is considered fundamental, bible believing, protestant denominations. Since when has it become permissible and acceptable that one can lead a homosexual lifestyle and still claim a loyalty to Christ? This is the type of stuff that has to change!
            3. A definite separation and distinction should be proclaimed (without the need to dispel those that are seeking) about what is a Christian and what is a Christian’s enemy (and the enemy isn’t an outside influence but the influence that is prevailing within the local churches themselves.
            4. NO PEW WARMERS – Pastors need to place a simple rule in place. If you’re a believer and you wish to have the benefits that may be found in this local ministry (such as friendships, job offers, social interaction), you have to work and I’m going to hold you accountable to your work. I don’t believe the early church or any truly Christian church can be filled with people that you only see 1 day a week and for only 1.5 hours.

            Problem is… If people really start to do this we WILL be persecuted much more than we are now and we WILL shrink in numbers BUT… Respect for the Christian faith will, once again, be noticed. Trouble is, the cost seems to be too high for the ‘average pastor’ of an organized and established denomination or local church.

            1. I am blessed to go to a church where the Pastor who preaches the Word and teaches us how to live and respond in this world, much like Joe teaches, (not the “average pastor”). But it doesn’t seem to matter how good the preacher is, there has always been and always will be people who either don’t “get it” or “don’t care” and still keep living the way they want to. Most of them tho, when they come to church are hiding who they are, the obvious ones tho don’t care what you see. The Pastors job is to preach the truth, the congregations job is to take that truth and apply it to their lives. It is very sad that the pew warmers are only there to “feel better” for themselves. If Christians in this country actually lived out their Salvation, this country wouldn’t be in the mess its in today. Doesn’t the Bible tell us to work out our Salvation? This may be what you are talking about, Am I correct on this? Every Christian who does follow God’s principals ought to be encouraging others to do the same, maybe if we did, it would be the answer to the question?

            2. Actually, that’s one of my main points. You’re wrong in one thing though. Everyone needs to preach the truth. A Pastor’s job is threefold. Lead, Feed, and Protect. Mostly, his job is to do what is found in Ephesians 4:11-15.

              The problem that I see is that too many pastors ignore the last part. Protect. Protect from what? Protect from whom? The other problem that I see with many but not all is the ‘Feed’ part. They are laying out the platter but not hanging out long enough to make sure that the sheep are feeding.

              What I’m implying is that pulpits are ‘one sided’ and Sunday School is also treated one-sided. Do you know why Sunday School is called ‘Sunday School’? Because initially, the idea is that it was a school. You got graded for what you learn. You were tested and held accountable for what you learn(1700s-1800s). This is no longer the case. Sunday School is a teacher explaining something and then leaving it at that. There is no longer discussion concerning what is taught. In the early church, ‘church’ was actually a group of people (believers) meeting together and the conversation was always two-fold yet organized. It is one of the reasons Paul had to expound on certain things with the Corinthians because they were ‘loosing control’ over the conversation and order within their church.

              Every Christian is a Preacher. Only certain called out individuals are Pastors.

              The hiding part that you mentioned kind of gets to me. You’re right, they are hiding. Wouldn’t or shouldn’t a Pastor or his helper leaders (Deacons, Teachers and Administrators), take notice of those people and push them to start being more transparent and active or… find another place to go if they claim themselves to be believers? I believe that there should be 0% of church pew-warmers in a ministry if the ministry and pastor are practicing correct church discipline (We lost the ability to hold people accountable because, unfortunately, money is at stake and too many preachers don’t want to lose the money associated with practicing church discipline. The less you practice the doctrine of church discipline, the greater growth (in population) your congregation will see. Definitely greater population but much less quality.).

              The last point you’ve mentioned is the clincher to the whole thing! Every believer should hold all other believers accountable and not just the Pastor and Church Leaders. If the PEOPLE would stand up and say “We’ve had enough!”, I’m pretty sure that the leaders of the church will look at the problem and react accordingly. But the problem exists in that… it is the PEOPLE that are the pew-warmers… They simply don’t care… “If this church doesn’t work out, we’ll simply go to the one around the corner.” is the idea people have now.

            3. Raul,
              So the main point to solving the problem is as you say and I realize what your saying is true, that we all need to preach the gospel. I like how you worded the fact that “Every Christian is a Preacher. Only certain called out individuals are Pastors.” Thank you for reminding me of that and correcting what I said. I also didn’t realize about the protect part, that must be a very rare trait these days. How would a Pastor protect? I am not clear on that, as I never even realized about it. I understand the feed part, and you are right, most pastors preach and teach and only go farther if a question is asked but not too far, they don’t usually take time to make sure its understood, just answered. Very sad.
              I think it is not only the money that is at stake with speaking out to someone, but also what people may “think” of them, leave and go somewhere else. It is too easy now a days to just leave and go somewhere else, and therefore, those who do that never actually get involved in ministry.
              I am a Sunday School teacher and am very happy to hear what you said, my class has assignments, and we discuss, I know it’s not exactly like it used to be, but I have fellow teachers who think I am crazy because I don’t just use someone elses material, I actually STUDY and come up with my own lessons, I try to make sure they are understanding the first point before I even go on to the next, sometimes, it takes a few weeks till I can move on, but to me it is worth the time.
              Once in a while our Pastor will challenge us to look something up and write about it, knowing it’s just a passing comment. I took him serious one day and did the assignment, handed it in and he was surprised, and said no one ever does these things. I like the challenge and I learn alot more than just listening, I need to do it more often like that. Anyway, People don’t really get involved anymore, they don’t take Christianity very seriously, if serious persecution where to come about, the church would be sifted and those who where real would be counted on to do all the real work that pew warmers refuse to do, they wouldn’t even be there anymore.
              I have been reading Joes posts for quite a while and am glad to see your comments as well.I like this site because we can discuss and learn from each other. I have checked out your website and am also happy to see your doctrinal statements line up with God’s Word.
              Have a great day in Jesus,

            4. I am very glad to hear that you actually ‘work’ at giving your students an understanding greater than ‘Jesus loves you cause the bible tells you so’ answers.

              One of the reasons I’ve stated that this problem is only found in westernized nations is, I believe, because of the lack of persecution to Christians. Even a protestant church in a catholic dominated country doesn’t have this kind of problem. They HAVE to have their people prepared. They HAVE to protect their ministry because they don’t get the same tolerable treatment that is prevalent in western countries.

              As for protecting, look at Acts 20:28-31. It is one of a Pastor’s main duty to ‘look after’ (know the people under them) and protect (to stop something before it causes harm) those that are under the Pastor’s care. There are many ways to accomplish this act but ALL OF THEM require a strong character that is not afraid to ‘call a spade a spade’ so to speak.

              Namely, this points to the doctrine being announced so that others may not be affected covertly. Satan knows how to send his spies and normally, his spies don’t even know they are doing his work until the work is actually done. It’s a Pastor’s duty to make sure that the spies don’t hurt those under his care. He does this in a two-fold manner.
              1. He needs to make sure that his ministry is strong in the knowledge of their God. This assumes something greater than a 45 minute lecture on one verse but extensively assuring that his flock is strong and can withstand false doctrines or false brethren.
              2. Stop the infiltration at its’ roots. A Pastor has to get those people away from his flock. He needs to point those people out and call them to answer for whatever it is that they are or are not doing. A Pastor is like a father of a family. Both must answer to God but both must be answerable by those that are under them. It is no wonder that one of the prerequisites to being a Pastor is that he leads his family well.

            5. Thank you , I believe I understand now. Our Pastor is like that, he calls a spade a spade and points out the truth, whether it costs him or not. I guess the protection is there, but I didn’t realize thats what it was. And I see many churches without this. We do not have a large congregation, and some of it is due to how our Pastor tells it like it is in the Bible and people don’t always like that, but like I said there are still pew warmers everywhere including in my church. So part of my job is to help encourage those to get involved????
              Thanks for your comments.

            6. That is everyone’s job. It’s the Pastor’s job to make sure that it does not continue for long without calling them out. It is the ministry’s job to push them before that occurs. There really isn’t a set way in the scriptures for this type of thing. It simply is outlined in a few passages of scripture (Acts 20, I Corinthians 5, and Matthew 18 and some passages of lesser note but likewise important such as the passage to the Thessalonians about believers not working).

              The general practice of church discipline is outlined in the scriptures but the actual application of it is not explicitly ‘explained’, such as the balance between practicing church discipline and over-lording the flock. It takes a called Pastor to be able to discern which is the way to go with this. Hence why not everyone is a Pastor.

          2. Is it any wonder that the world looks at us and laughs like the fools we actually portray ourselves to be? This doesn’t just frustrate me, it pisses me off. A “Christian” can sit in a church for 5-10 years and won’t even be able to pull up a bible and prove that Jesus Christ is God pisses me off. Why? You might ask? Cause I was that “Christian” that sat in church for 5-10 years hoping to learn and no one taught me.

            These types of things tick me off. I’m sorry if I come off so ‘violently’ (or rudely) but this type of thing is ‘nothing new’. It’s been going on for the past 30 some odd years here in the US (at least in Florida and New York churches).

            1. It bothers me the offensive language you are using Raul Lopez on a open blog of both genders, when you get your act together you can start on others.

              Yes I’m a Senior, so for some this means I’m past my use by date but you can be sure I still know what is acceptable and what is not and you are on a Christian Blog.

              Ephesians 5:4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.

              From both of us – Anne

            2. Hmm, what word was that? Should I have said ‘It makes me so angry that I want to pee in my pants?

              I don’t think I was overtly rude or using foul language. I can get much fouler than that. Do you have a comment that is relative to the discussion other than to attempt to control my language?

              I actually had to consciously look hard to find out what you meant. I can only assume it is the word ‘pissed’? I don’t think I used any other words in my comments that may be questionable.

              Anyways, do you have any ideas about what can be done, both universally and locally about the situation being brought up by me and discussed between us?

            3. You answered your own question Raul Lopez, instead of apologizing that you had offended me and no doubt others with your course language, instead you minimized it, excused it , rationalized it and continued to use it and than ignored it by trying to change the subject and that is also what others do when they sin.

              You asked………. do you have any ideas about what can be done, both universally and locally about the situation being brought up by me and discussed between us?

              God gives us the Answer but many do not find the narrow gate because they are blind and deaf, they have a form of Godliness but deny the power and so they do not understand (1Corinthians2:9-16)

              God’s answer is also in the Scripture (and in many others) as shown on my original comment to Pastor Joe on this Topic and on other ones he has shared about but sadly it’s an answer he chooses like before to ignore because he can’t refute the Scripture and doesn’t want to reject what God tells us we must do but is finding it hard to understand and accept, like you and many others do.

              So in answer to who was also offended by your course language but hasn’t commented here …He has!

              Christian Love from both Jesus Christ our Spiritual Husband and myself, and yes I’m saved by His Mercy and Grace as are all His Spiritual Children even before we are conceived by His foreknowledge of our heart repentance.

              Blessings -Anne.

            4. In that case, I apologize to both you and your husband concerning the word I’ve used.

              The problem with my flippant answer, nevertheless, was in the way you’ve approached the situation.
              1. I did not ‘offend’ you specifically in any way. I may have used an offbeat word in a moment of anger and I concede that I did and, for that, I apologize.
              2. The approach that you should have given should not have attempted to discredit what I have been pointing out in reference to this: “when you get your act together you can start on others.”… That was directly offensive to a person and not a questionable word said in anger at a situation. I am not ‘starting on anyone’. I am pointing out generalities that I’ve seen personally and objectively and getting angry because of it.
              3. The approach should have been “It bothers me the offensive language (the “P” word) you are using Raul Lopez on a open blog of both genders” and then ended with ‘Please stop.”. This type of action would have instead, instilled in me the need to apologize sincerely, directly and immediately.
              4. Ephesians 5:4 is not exactly talking about what you are implying though it is inclusive of ‘bad words’. Nevertheless, the association and context should be accounted for to assume foolish talk or coarse joking.

              In other words, Chill out. I’m not attacking anyone here. I’m generalizing what is generally seen by me. Btw… Is this how you evangelize? I would suggest that you also look in a mirror… There is something much worse in you than a simple cuss word in anger.

              As for that answer, in the most generalized form, you are correct. That is the main problem. Most are heading towards apostasy and that should not surprise us because that is what Jesus has promised. Nevertheless, from a practical sense, the answer you are giving leaves something out. We know what the problem is… How do we deal with it? It is not as simple as stating; Believe in God. The question now is… Do you even believe in God when you actually say you do? If it were not important to know how to apply the truth you are pointing to, then I would think that Paul would not have called the elders of Ephesus to Miletus while he was a prisoner chained and headed for Rome to tell them what he told them.

              I’m not quite sure where you are headed with this situation because I find it hard that an elderly woman would be so hooked on a ‘bad word’. I would think you’d be a bit wiser, both you and your husband. Nevertheless, I won’t question that the word I used is questionable so, take the apology as sincerely given.

            5. Btw… I’m kind of confused. You were pointing out verses dealing with positional righteousness but the post that I understood by Joe seems to deal with practical righteousness.

              I’m not understanding the correlation between what someone is positionally and what someone should do practically. I can’t make sense of your response since it is not contextualized either in the subject matter that I’ve brought up or Joe’s post…

              In other words, can you explain yourself a bit better concerning your comment, please? I’m not understanding exactly what it is you are commenting about.

            6. I just thought of something else. The other party when you said ‘He is’… I assumed it was your husband? Or are you referring to Christ?

              Because if it is Christ that I have offended, boy o boy do I offend him a lot. I’m just extremely lucky and blessed to know that the offense I give him, though bad, will not be held against me and He is the one that will decide on my just deserves. Be careful in placing words in God’s mouth like I see you have done before.

              God, in a generalized sense, is offended at all of humanity and, if it weren’t for the sacrifice of Christ, there would be hell to pay (literally).

              God also loves me enough to deal with me and uses, sometimes seemingly illogical, ways to deal with my sin and make me grow more and more to be like him. I have not achieved the goal of practical perfection (and never will otherwise I would never have to die) but I get closer to it every day.

              So, I would, until explained otherwise, assume it is that I’ve offended you and your husband. Christ is another matter altogether.

            7. Like many others Raul Lopez, you are depending on your own fleshy understanding of Scripture, those I shared and others in the Bible, confirm we CAN -NOT SIN, which means absolutely never in the Greek, when we are Born Again of The Spirit , having God’s seed not Adam’s and perfected in Love, which we are all to aim for by putting our Carnal flesh to death and leaving our immaturity or childishness behind us.

              This is very different to what you are claiming and others, the Scriptures I shared and others confirm fully that it is not only positionally but in reality that we do not sin, but this Truth cannot be understood in the Carnal flesh (1Corinthians2:9-16)

              What does Jesus say about those who continue to sin and excuse it as you keep doing Raul Lopez and even claim ……I don’t think I was overtly rude or using foul language. I can get much fouler than that. Obscenity as defined in the Dictionary is…. An offensive or indecent word or phrase ETC

              Good and evil cannot be in Unity and when we sin we also grieve the Holy Spirit.

              John 8:34-36 Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who Sins is a slave to Sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

              1 John 3: 6-8 whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.

              When you offend the Body of Christ Raul Lopez, you offend us all, we are all responsible as you said yourself, to keep the Church pure. You did offend me because I was grieved when I read your comments by your crude language and so was Jesus, what you do to the body, you do to Him, did He use crude and offensive words? are you conformed into His image, do you have the mind of Christ? or are you waiting till you die, which is not confirmed in Scripture.

              I was grieved also when you apologized but once again tried to excuse it by putting the blame onto me saying I don’t know what Obscenity is.

              Obscenity as defined in the WordWeb Dictionary is…. An offensive or indecent word or phrase ETC

              Christian Love from both of us – Anne.

            8. Oh man… Now I see why he (Joe) among others may wish to ignore your statements. You are so way off that I don’t even know where to start! You’re not a “Christian” honey. Not with that type of doctrine coming out of your mouth. Let’s see if I can start explaining this to you.

              I started writing an explanation to you but, at second thought, your response actually makes me want to post an answer on my blog instead. It’s important (not necessarily for you per se) that an explanation concerning sin in a believer’s life is called for so that people that will read my post won’t get deceived by what you’re saying. I would, after placing my post, invite you to discuss it as long as you’re willing to learn and we can both meet eye to eye objectively.

              In short, the simple explanation is… you’re dead on wrong! Christians (Children of God) do sin on a day by day basis regardless of what their positional relationship with God is. I won’t go into the ‘why’ of it here though. You should, if you wish to take a peek later at my blog (tomorrow or Friday I should have a full explanation for you), comment there concerning what is shown.

              Your point kind of proves my point in relation to the interpretation of scripture so it will kind of be a ‘to the side’ example of what I’m posting about now anyways so it might actually be a very good thing, at that.

              As for offending the body of Christ, you first have to be ‘in the body of Christ’ to know what would cause it offense. Again, I am not excusing what I did but, according to the doctrine you are trying to propagate, you’re not a part of it (yet but I’m hopeful still).

            9. Just one more thing I needed to point out… Yes, Jesus did use, when necessary, the offensive language of his time calling people thieves, snakes, pigs, full of rotting flesh… So yeah, he did use ‘offensive and rude language’ when the situation called for it. Read the gospels.

            10. Do not call me Honey Raul Lopez, I’m your Senior and expect to be treated with respect and also how dare you claim to know another Christians Heart, we are not to judge anyone’s Salvation by your own agenda and you have offered no Scriptural confirmation to confirm your claim.

              I do not believe in Sinless perfection as the Cults do but in Freedom in Christ Jesus as confirmed in Scripture, which is very different, we will all have Salvation if we are known by God’s foreknowledge, it is a free gift which we receive by our repentance and is also available to everyone but many won’t accept it and God knows them too but it is not His will they perish it is their choice. Our heart repentance shows we believe in Jesus as our Lord and Saviour and we will show in our words and actions too that we have really repented but untill we are perfected in Love, we are under God’s Mercy and Grace and covered by The Blood of Christ Jesus as were the Old Testerment Saints, He is our Advocate but if we sin we are still in darkness until we are Born again by The Spirit, if we claim we don’t sin and so don’t need Salvation, we are calling God a liar, the rest I have already explained and confirmed with Scripture.

              Please believe me Raul Lopez, I would never seek you for Scriptural understanding, you walk in the flesh with no remorse, just excuses, you need to put your flesh to death as Paul tells us to do, yes like you and us all, he also battled with his flesh as shared in Romans 7 but tells us how to have freedom in (Romans 8:12 -13 – Colossians 3:4-6 – Galatians 5 :24 -26 and other Scriptures)

              I would also never judge your Eternal Salvation Raul Lopez, you may come to True Heart repentance on your death bed, only God knows your heart but until Eternity I will continue to Love you as I Love all those who seek to deliberately abuse me and who reject the Scriptures because of their Spiritual blindness, you need to ask for God’s empowering and His wisdom and believe that you have received them, as Jesus leads you into all Truth, instead of Trusting in your own understanding reason and logic.

              Christian Love from us both – Anne

            11. Um, how old do you think I am? Believe me, you’re not my ‘Senior’. I’m in the ‘elder’ stage of life as well so please, don’t hand that one to me unless you’re close to somewhere around 90 + years. We’re both of the same generation. I’m no teenager or even a young man. Heck, I think I might actually be older than you? How old are you, anyways?

              The explanation you are giving now does make better sense than to state that we ‘cannot sin’. I’m glad we could come to that agreement.

              Btw: as far as the claim on your ‘salvation’ is concerned, I dare a lot. If you come at me claiming that Christians cannot sin, there is a BIG and very bad statement there. I do not judge the eternal state of someone, but I do judge where one stands with God by what they say about him and their relationship to him. You cannot say that a believer CAN NOT sin (as you have plainly stated as a closed ended statement) and not expect me to assume that you disbelieve in the advocacy of Christ and his continuing work on our behalf. All men are sinners and, according to Romans 3:1-10, that includes believers too (assuming you read chapters 1-2 so as to know that Paul is speaking about believers there.).

              I’m very glad that you have finally explained yourself much better. So, now that we are in agreement that ‘Christians DO sin’ we really don’t have a disagreement. I did wrong, was approached by it, disagree a bit on the approach but concede in the wrong done and did/do apologize.

              So, what are we arguing about then? Because I’ve ‘sinned’ I am now less a part of the body of Christ than you are, a sinner saved by God’s grace, just like me, falling in your own error and needing an advocate, just like me.

              There is no disagreement, only the need for you to show forgiveness and let it go if what you have just stated is what you believe.

              I think I just got trapped with whatever that is going on with you. I’ll post what I stated about the statement you made before anyways but, I’m not going to argue much more with you on this. Forgive and drop it or not, it’s up to you.

            12. 1 Kings 16:11
              And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends.
              Este palabra, estas en la palabra de Dios muchas veces buscalo para que vea’.
              No es pecado usarlo:)

            13. HAHAHA… I’ll never stop learning… Thank you about that… No sabia que esto se encontraba en la escrituras….

              Forgive me though… I’m not going to touch that one with a ten foot pole. Thank you, though. You gave me quite a laugh.

            14. Ay Dios!!! HAHAHA Si, ya esto se esta poniendo un poco jodido. Ya me canse de tanto pleito con esta. Simplemente sigo mi paso.

            15. Ningun problema y gracias! Y te sigo yo a ti tambien. Y gracias por decirme eso pues para no confundirme cuando sea la otra persona.

            16. After the hissy fit thrown, doesn’t it all just seem so foolish?
              To just “pisseth” away all that passion for no “good” purpose?
              To no “good” end?
              (Ay Dios mio’, mandame mas si’ mas me convienes…ay bandito Senor rescatanos!)

            17. Anne, some profound realizations by Joshua In “Shittem”
              Pay close attention to the last sentence in this scripture.
              Oh…B.T.W. I know you are following my every comment though you pretend not to. Narcissists cannot resist being obsessive compulsive and hyper-vigilant and paranoid and self-conscious and judgemental and busy bodies, and gossips and false accusers…(my index finger is getting sore).

            18. Especially For you Anne…
              THE LIVES OF THE SPIES SPARED (Jos. 2:1-7).
              A. The Spies Sent into the Land (Jos. 2:1).
              Two spies were sent out from the camp at Abel-shittem, which was
              about the enemy and his territory. When Joshua sent the spies into
              the land he was demonstrating that delicate balance between trusting
              the Lord and moving ahead to discern the Lord’s will. To have moved
              ahead without the Lord’s blessing would have been wrong—dead wrong.
              But to have sat tight when that blessing has been promised would have
              been equally wrong. To have done so would have been like praying to
              become a soulwinner but never going out to knock the doors of homes
              where lost souls live. Joshua knew that the Lord would never do for
              him what he could and should do for himself.
              Christian Love always-Oneagleswings.

  4. I wold like Pastor Joe’s reply on Raul Lopez’s remark bcos I understand Raul’s query but I’m no expert in answers . Thank you.

  5. Thank you Pastor Joe, it is very True as you said, we are not to choose to sin but as we can see below very clearly in the Scriptures that if we are Born Again we don’t only Not sin, we Can’t sin because we no longer have Adam’s seed or sinful Nature we have God’s, the old has gone the new has come and He does not choose to sin, sin or even by omission.

    1John 3 : 9 No one who is Born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been Born of God.

    1 John 5:18-20 We know that no one who is Born of God sins; but He who was Born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

    1 John 3: 6-8 whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.

    But if we are known by Him as His Redeemed Children we are under His grace until we are Born Again, we are covered by Jesus’ blood as were the Old Testament Saints. But Jesus has set us free from the Slavery of sin so we are to aim to be perfected in Love, to be conformed into His image and not wait for it to happen when we die as some think we do. We must put our Flesh to death that causes us to sin (Romans 8:12 -13 – Colossians 3:4-6 – Galatians 5 :24 -26) and be renewed in our mind by God’s Truth through the empowering of The Holy Spirit, having asked for and received God’s wisdom…

    John 8:34-36 Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who Sins is a slave to Sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

    Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Romans 6:22-23 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto Holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is Eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Ephesians 4:23-24 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

    1 John 4:17-19 Herein is our Love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as He is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in Love; but perfect Love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in Love. We Love Him, because He first Loved us.

    Christian Love from us both -Anne.

  6. One of the greatest struggles for any Christian church is how to live in a society blessed with abundance and comfort. After several generations, it becomes a right to have instead of a blessing to receive. Even though Christ desires comfort in our status of being justified, he desires us to be uncomfortable in sin. That takes great obedience and self-discipline living in a era of self-gratification. Thanks, Joe, for your good thoughts today.

  7. Thank you Pastor Joe and now a dissertation as a comment outlining and bolstering your very well structured post just in case there were any unseen stress fractures in the infra-structure and mostly because i like the sound of my own typing…it substitutes for thoughtful inspired speech.

    Exodus 19:5
    “Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine,”

    Deuteronomy 11:1
    “Love the LORD your God and keep his requirements, his decrees, his laws and his commands always”

    John 15:9
    “”As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love.”

    2 Corinthians 10:5
    “We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ”

    Revelations 14:12
    “This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.”

    Romans 1:5
    “Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith”

    Hebrews 13:17
    “Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.”

    John 15:14
    “You are my friends if you do what I command”

    Joshua 5:6
    “The Israelites had moved about in the desert forty years until all the men who were of military age when they left Egypt had died, since they had not obeyed the LORD. For the LORD had sworn to them that they would not see the land that he had solemnly promised their fathers to give us, a land flowing with milk and honey”

    Seems insincere doesn’t it?
    I entered a search in google engine entitled obedience+biblical.
    Now I sound well read and informed don’t I? Could not be further from the truth, just like many of us seeking approval and affirmations, being a Christian is not always exactly running in a popularity contest, most times quite the opposite.
    Do I get a cupie doll, a smiley, thank you?
    Doesn’t matter…not one bit.
    Whenever I read one of your posts it’s as if there is a parrot on your shoulder repeating everything you write…mimic? eye patch?
    I have enough respect for you as a capable Pastor not to do that, I don’t think I’m alone in feeling that way. But insecurity and fear must follow you it seems holding onto the hem of your garment and projecting over and above you from behind you.
    Verbatim with slight variations repeating the very same message delivered all over again.

    Should Pastors allow themselves to have groupies?
    Isn’t that a form of idolatry?
    It’s not your fault, it’s a simple matter of listening to one’s self. Speaking to others not at them.
    I’m interested to see how He does it..?
    Open them, eye mean.
    It’s beyond you and you know it…you are a patient man and that is an admirable virtue.
    God Bless.
    I wouldn’t post this…but that’s your call, Padre, much love.


    1. I’m so glad I found you again Anthony, I could not eat thinking I would never see you again even though I have your picture all over my walls in my Bedroom and in my Kitchen too, I hope you don’t feel the heat, I cook up a storm when I’m not pining after you!.

      You’re incredible and your my favorite Bolger, I would be willing to wash you feet, even if they smelt, and guess what, see below, I even found some Scriptures to say I can……

      John 13:14-15 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another’s feet. For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

      You will be amazed Anthony and find it real hard to believe I’m sure but these Scriptures were in the Bible, yes they were! I didn’t need the Internet, anyway I’m not sure who writes them on there, I know God wrote what’s in the real Bible and He is never wrong but on the Internet they keep changing their mind, He doesn’t and nor will I change mine about you because your just the best!

      Philippians 2:2-3 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

      I do consider you better than me Anthony, yes, yes your awesome and I want to encourage you to do good things for God like you encourage others with you support and kind words of affirmation, that’s why I follow you around and comment because you leave me speechless your so wonderful.

      Hebrews 10:24-25 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.(NIV)

      1 Thessalonians 5:11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.(NIV)

      I know your very busy Anthony but can I please, please have your Autograph.Lol

      Wishing and Hoping – Loveallgroupie

      1. The spelling gives you away, actually everything about you gives you away and what you pretend to be. Interesting that you hid behind an assumed name with no traceable imprint…but you are known and revealed.

        1. Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, In as much as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

          If you don’t have Christian Love for me or anyone else Anthony, than you are the one with the problem, you may not agree with what I or they share but God does not seek to deceive and nor do I when I share His Truth. Read the Scriptures in Pastor Joe’s message, my comments and other peoples comments, let God talk to your heart and heal you.

          Christian Love always – Anne

          1. You love to put your own “spin” on everything, put words in others mouths by insinuation. You can’t just read a shared post and comment without adding your “spin” can you? You once said that I was very gifted by God and that God revealed this to you (these are your own words) And now you have reduced me to the ranks of a bitter unloving Christian with an unmovable chip on his shoulder and this after assuming another identity for mockery. I can think of nine very profound reasons that you might want to have a change of heart and you know who they are but if you truly believed they are waiting for you with open arms your demeanor would reflect that, yet it does not.
            So i’ll ask you is: “heaven for real” to you or not?

            1. Annie it is futile, you cannot succeed in humbling me, I have been ground into sand-dust and by fire on the breath of a master craftsman re-forged into a vessel to serve. i was once most vile “But God” showed me great mercy, taught me Love and compassion “gifted” His Grace unto me. You cannot shame me because if so allowed I grieve The Holy Spirit residing within me. I have been at death’s door many times, actually pronounced dead. I am still here for one reason and one reason only…because God wills it for purposes only His to know and not for I to question. You cannot guilt me because there is no longer condemnation in Christ. You cannot embarrass me, “ego” is the first thing that was surrendered and had to go before He could use me. The messages I receive are not always understood by me, he says this one or that one, over here or over there and I just obey…period!
              But I will trouble you no more dear sister,
              this is the Love you seek speaking to you…Love that I do not possess in and of myself, Love that transcends every notion of Love you have ever known.
              Love that longs to tell you just how blessed you are, that your little ones were hand-picked “chosen” by God Himself but you haven’t yet been open to it. I’ve tried to be subtle with you…indeed I have. it has taken great restraint not to say to you how right on the mark you were with your original assessment of this speaker. Perhaps tomorrow I will remember nothing but right now the picture is very clear.
              Do you see Annie…all this of substance from the humbled heart that was rescued without quoting a single word of scripture…He wants us to be “real” with Him, else He has nothing to work with.
              I have tried to be subtle with you but you have forced my hand.
              Rejoice, be glad, you have lost nothing, they wait for you.
              I am just a “messenger”
              Don’t make any more of me, it is at the Lord’s discretion and can be anyone at any “given” time.
              I had to be tough on you, you left me no choice, I knew what to do but He didn’t tell me how:)

            2. Loveallgroupie was responding Anthony to what you said about Pastor Joe having groupies if not me you were putting others down who comment on his Blog, even being crude in referring what is shared as bird droppings.

              Pastor Joe is not afraid of being corrected with God’s Truth, he is Mature enough to accept it and if needed refute it with Scripture but when you condemn anyone it is not acceptable and as you judge others so you are judging yourself, when you have no Scriptural confirmation they are in error .

              I have not changed my mind Anthony, I believe if you seek God for healing and put to death your flesh, you will be greatly used by Him, if not you will continue to be jealous and critical of others, seeking to dishonor them by attacking them as people of worth, which is how I first met you, it was after you unloving attacked me, when I shared about child abuse.

              2 Timothy 2:19-21 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are His. And, let every one that nameth the Name of Christ depart from iniquity. But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the Master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.

              I will say goodby for now Anthony but be assured I will continue to Love you and pray for you so hopefully one day you will be able to fulfill all God’s good plans for you.

              Christian Love Always – Anne

            3. Again…more labels imposed, inferred, you are guilty of the very thing that you are singling out. Except you justify it through scripture, which makes it that much worse. You are giving an opinion of me and using God’s word to bolster it…shame on you. Devious and manipulative. There was no “if” when you stated that to me originally, you were sure. Now your “sure” has become an “if” You said that God told you…”GOD TOLD ME” is what you said verbatim. Do you speak with God or not?! Woman stop playing games? What is it?!
              Could God have been mistaken, that’s not possible?!
              So either you are real or full of it, black and white, which is it?!
              You make a claim like that and cannot stand behind it?!
              C’mon, who’s immature?
              I’m not talking about a general mission statement on what you “believe” but I’m calling you on what you stated.
              Abraham believed before there was a book to go by miss walking bible.
              Explain that?

            4. Anne I find it especially “telling” that you provoke/incite then fall back and play the victim and not a single chivalrous Christian man has risen to your defense, that is because your true nature is blatantly apparent except to you. You are no one’s victim, you’ve been through too much to ever be that again so don’t play coy. Your cries of “wolf” “wolf” fall on deaf ears. You go around to others blogs and incite division then shield yourself behind A Pastor and play “innocent”. You run to
              “enablers” who will not be upfront with you else they provoke your wrath, for pity and comfort. You even speak for Pastor Joe as if He were not a grown Man and could not speak for himself. You presume much, I have not attacked you, this battle has nothing to do with you but what has overtaken you. I’ve been praying for you since I first met you and have not ceased. “It” has got to go…period!
              The first two believers from among those that have been gathered and present to date that disagrees with this statement step forward and let it be known.
              And I will never trouble this blog nor this woman again, else join me in prayer for her.
              i will even cease blogging all together.
              God Bless,

            5. Anne and Anthony, I love you both and hate to see you upset. I am not sure why you are arguing, but sense your pain goes back much further than yesterday. I realize people communicate differently. Everyone has his or her own communication style, and misunderstandings frequently occur simply because people expect others to prefer the same style of interaction. Perhaps this is what is happening. I am unsure.

              I pray that God would overwhelm all of us with His grace, and we would grow in Him and bear much fruit!

            6. Frankly this is the first time someone has said something to me to this effect:” I will say goodbye for now Anthony but be assured I will continue to Love you and pray for you so hopefully one day you will be able to fulfill all God’s good plans for you.Christian love always-Anne”
              And I found it disturbing and unsettling…I hear faintly the theme from the twilight zone.
              when I see how well your prayers have availed you, I don’t feel very encouraged quite the opposite.
              I didn’t think anyone like you could exist for real…I should have known better.
              I know who you are and I know why you are here.
              You are serving exactly as He wills, you just don’t know it…this is precious!
              Satan’s finger seems to be on the trigger…”But God” calls all the shots!
              Now i am forced to reconsider, bigfoot, u.f.o.’s, lochness, la chupa cabra, mothman, etc.

          2. Speaking to you is an experience akin to being assaulted by a robber stripped naked and left for dead by the side of the road. Waiting for that “good Samaritan” to come along but they all pass by because the “robber” is now notorious and known and may still be lurking nearby hidden behind a “ROCK” and waiting to pounce. And this assailant leaves a calling card lying by the side of the unwary victim…”Christian Love Always-Anne”
            Those that know of the danger up ahead from experience, circumvent it, no earthly authority can arrest it, the lesson lay in the discerning and sighting ahead of time by obedience.
            The calling card is in direct contradiction to the intentions of the thief…the thief believes to be doing God’s work.
            And in truth sins not, one who is mentally incapacitated is incapable of sin.
            But if these actions are taken in out of rebellion and conscious awareness, then it simply is the work of satan.

            1. The first indicator of a separation from God is the notable separation from reality…until you acknowledge it for yourself you are not yet beyond hope only beyond reach.

      1. I’m not sure what you are asking Joseph, what do you mien?
        I believe I was referring to the wayward parrot that has landed on your shoulder and repeats everything you post, with the smallest of prodding it relieves itself right where it is perched.
        Martin Luther said: “I cannot stop the bird from flying over my head but I can keep it from landing on it”
        Anthony .

          1. Yes Joseph, why would Balaam choose to contend with a speaking donkey rather than acknowledge the presence enabling the speech?
            How often do we see this repeated even unto present day?
            A twitching raw nerve does not require any great amount of stimuli to release a pent up reaction much like a rubber mallet below the knee cap, with kick like a mule!
            What will it take for us?
            I was exactly like this (narcissism) the weakness of this (Achilles heel) is the extreme gullibility of the afflicted.
            Fall for anything.
            Above no one, but under authority and that can only be “given” not assumed or wrested by force or by good works.

  8. Here ya’ go, after prayer and a passionate discussion with my wife (friendly of course) I was led to this excellent study.

    Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary
    (Read all of John 5)
    Related Commentaries
    John 5
    •John Darby’s Synopsis
    •Matthew Henry’s Commentary
    •Wesley’s Explanatory Notes
    Chapter Contents
    The cure at the pool of Bethesda. (1-9) The Jews’ displeasure. (10-16) Christ reproves the Jews. (17-23) Christ’s discourse. (24-47)
    Commentary on John 5:1-9
    (Read John 5:1-9)
    We are all by nature impotent folk in spiritual things, blind, halt, and withered; but full provision is made for our cure, if we attend to it. An angel went down, and troubled the water; and what disease so ever it was, this water cured it, but only he that first stepped in had benefit. This teaches us to be careful, that we let not a season slip which may never return. The man had lost the use of his limbs thirty-eight years. Shall we, who perhaps for many years have scarcely known what it has been to be a day sick, complain of one wearisome night, when many others, better than we, have scarcely known what it has been to be a day well? Christ singled this one out from the rest. Those long in affliction, may comfort themselves that God keeps account how long. Observe, this man speaks of the unkindness of those about him, without any peevish reflections. As we should be thankful, so we should be patient. Our Lord Jesus cures him, though he neither asked nor thought of it. Arise, and walk. God’s command, Turn and live; Make ye a new heart; no more supposes power in us without the grace of God, his distinguishing grace, than this command supposed such power in the impotent man: it was by the power of Christ, and he must have all the glory. What a joyful surprise to the poor cripple, to find himself of a sudden so easy, so strong, so able to help himself! The proof of spiritual cure, is our rising and walking. Has Christ healed our spiritual diseases, let us go wherever he sends us, and take up whatever he lays upon us; and walk before him.
    Commentary on John 5:10-16
    (Read John 5:10-16)
    Those eased of the punishment of sin, are in danger of returning to sin, when the terror and restraint are over, unless Divine grace dries up the fountain. The misery believers are made whole from, warns us to sin no more, having felt the smart of sin. This is the voice of every providence, Go, and sin no more. Christ saw it necessary to give this caution; for it is common for people, when sick, to promise much; when newly recovered, to perform only something; but after awhile to forget all. Christ spoke of the wrath to come, which is beyond compare worse than the many hours, nay, weeks and years of pain, some wicked men have to suffer in consequence of their unlawful indulgences. And if such afflictions are severe, how dreadful will be the everlasting punishment of the wicked!
    Commentary on John 5:17-23
    (Read John 5:17-23)
    The Divine power of the miracle proved Jesus to be the Son of God, and he declared that he worked with, and like unto his Father, as he saw good. These ancient enemies of Christ understood him, and became more violent, charging him not only with sabbath-breaking, but blasphemy, in calling God his own Father, and making himself equal with God. But all things now, and at the final judgment, are committed to the Son, purposely that all men might honour the Son, as they honour the Father; and every one who does not thus honour the Son, whatever he may think or pretend, does not honour the Father who sent him.
    Commentary on John 5:24-29
    (Read John 5:24-29)
    Our Lord declared his authority and character, as the Messiah. The time was come when the dead should hear his voice, as the Son of God, and live. Our Lord first refers to his raising those who were dead in sin, to newness of life, by the power of the Spirit, and then to his raising the dead in their graves. The office of Judge of all men, can only be exercised by one who has all knowledge, and almighty power. May we believe His testimony; thus our faith and hope will be in God, and we shall not come into condemnation. And may His voice reach the hearts of those dead in sin; that they may do works meet for repentance, and prepare for the solemn day.
    Commentary on John 5:30-38
    (Read John 5:30-38)
    Our Lord returns to his declaration of the entire agreement between the Father and the Son, and declared himself the Son of God. He had higher testimony than that of John; his works bore witness to all he had said. But the Divine word had no abiding-place in their hearts, as they refused to believe in Him whom the Father had sent, according to his ancient promises. The voice of God, accompanied by the power of the Holy Ghost, thus made effectual to the conversion of sinners, still proclaims that this is the beloved Son, in whom the Father is well pleased. But when the hearts of men are full of pride, ambition, and the love of the world, there is no room for the word of God to abide in them.
    Commentary on John 5:39-44
    (Read John 5:39-44)
    The Jews considered that eternal life was revealed to them in their Scriptures, and that they had it, because they had the word of God in their hands. Jesus urged them to search those Scriptures with more diligence and attention. “Ye do search the Scriptures,” and ye do well to do so. They did indeed search the Scriptures, but it was with a view to their own glory. It is possible for men to be very studious in the letter of the Scriptures, yet to be strangers to its power. Or, “Search the Scriptures,” and so it was spoken to them in the nature of an appeal. Ye profess to receive and believe the Scripture, let that be the judge. It is spoken to us as advising or commanding all Christians to search the Scriptures. Not only read them, and hear them, but search them; which denotes diligence in examining and studying them. We must search the Scriptures for heaven as our great end; For in them ye think ye have eternal life. We must search the Scriptures for Christ, as the new and living Way, that leads to this end. To this testimony Christ adds reproofs of their unbelief and wickedness; their neglect of him and his doctrine. Also he reproves their want of the love of God. But there is life with Jesus Christ for poor souls. Many who make a great profession of religion, yet show they want the love of God, by their neglect of Christ and contempt of his commandments. It is the love of God in us, the love that is a living, active principle in the heart, which God will accept. They slighted and undervalued Christ, because they admired and overvalued themselves. How can those believe, who make the praise and applause of men their idol! When Christ and his followers are men wondered at, how can those believe, the utmost of whose ambition is to make a fair show in the flesh!
    Commentary on John 5:45-47
    (Read John 5:45-47)
    Many trust in some form of doctrines or some parties, who no more enter into the real meaning of those doctrines, or the views of the persons whose names they bear, than the Jews did into those of Moses. Let us search and pray over the Scriptures, as intent on finding eternal life; let us observe how Christ is the great subject of them, and daily apply to him for the life he bestows.
    Anthony Gomez
    (googled it:)
    God Bless

    1. Joe, Thanks so much for expanding on exactly how I feel as a sinner. It is only by God’s grace and mercy that I am able to be anything approaching a decent human being. All I know is that I pray for strength, try my best every day to be his light in the world, and then square away my shortcomings every night with him. I do not judge anyone else, just pray for them and help where I can. Your thoughts contine to inspire me in this way. May God bless you abundantly


  9. very good read Pastor! when I feel too close to this world in any way…that’s when I know it’s time to get back on track….which I know should make me totally opposite of the world….not above it – just different from it……I like your replies to the comments too! God bless!

  10. Praise God for His truths! This word is sound doctrine and much needed for the people of God. It puts me in mind of James 1:22 that tells us “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” We can’t simply go around talking about the word of God we have to be about it as well, living epistles known and read of men. It’s our reasonable service.
    Thanks for sharing Pastor Joe.

    Be Blessed!


  11. Great great great post! This has definitely been on my heart as of late regarding American Christianity. We have meshed the American Dream with modern day Christianity. We live as if the Bible is just a book and not our way of life. I think it’s essential to not only preach/study exegetically but imperative to love exegetically. Great post Pastor. I don’t know you but I can feel your heart through the post and I will pray for your boldness. God bless you. Remember the Cross. John 3:16.

  12. Thank you Pastor Joe and yes I have both Respect and much Christian Love just like a Christian Mother as Anthony refereed to me, although he said it in a derogatory way.

    At my age as well as a Anointed Evangelist which were both genders in Scripture but had different roles, I’m also a Spiritual Mother to many who Blog in the Body of Christ (Mark3:33-35 ) perhaps also Anthony although I don’t know how old he is but I do Love him in Christ Jesus too and pray he will be healed so he can move on in Love, we had a lot in common in our Childhoods, so I do understand his pain but to be honest not always what he writes, although this time there were once again some very unloving comments without confirmation.

    I also do not believe as Anthony does, that those who comment on yours or other peoples Blogs are groupies and insecure or a Choir as he has called them before to be ignored or that you or any other men Bloggers in Pastoral Authority, encourage us to be groupies and so are also causing us to commit Spiritual Adultery which is what Anthony claimed, see below ***

    *** Do I get a cupie doll, a smiley, thank you? Doesn’t matter…not one bit. Whenever I read one of your posts it’s as if there is a parrot on your shoulder repeating everything you write…mimic? eye patch? I have enough respect for you as a capable Pastor not to do that, I don’t think I’m alone in feeling that way. But insecurity and fear must follow you it seems holding onto the hem of your garment and projecting over and above you from behind you. Verbatim with slight variations repeating the very same message delivered all over again. Should Pastors allow themselves to have groupies? Isn’t that a form of idolatry? It’s not your fault, it’s a simple matter of listening to one’s self. Speaking to others not at them.

    As you know Pastor Joe, you and I do not at this time agree on all Teaching in Scripture although with a great deal we do but I have no intention of agreeing to disagree, we are to take our differences to God to resolve them with the confirmation of His words of Truth through the empowering of The Holy Spirit.

    But while ever you welcome me to comment I will do so but being honest, I will no longer read other peoples comments unless they refer to me personally in reference to what I have shared with Scriptural confirmation because in reading some comments I have been grieved and needed to rebuke which on your Blog I’m not sure if it’s acceptable, yes it happens a lot but if it worries you Pastor Joe, please forgive me and I won’t do it again.

    Christian Love -Anne.

    1. The Lord spoke to me on three occasions, on one of them in a gentle whisper clear He said “be gentle with my sheep”. My immediate question was what sheep? What do you mean? And he must have known that i would have needed to hear and remember this and i have truly struggled with it. Beaten myself up on many occasions terribly guilt ridden, I prayed to Him that He was wrong about me, I wanted be let off the proverbial hook.
      Do you know what He said to me…it was really simply?
      “…not my sheep”
      In other words He said don’t beat yourself up over it, not one of mine.
      The moment your avatar first appeared on Doug and i’s site I became ill, literally physically ill!
      I knew it before I read anything you’d written, it was like a trumpet sounded an alarm.
      I know what is in you if you do not, and it is not what you think.
      Seeing how deluded such a studious and well informed follower can become and not see it is a terrifying thing to witness.
      But you have drawn enough attention to yourself with the mildest of prodding to make a spectacle of yourself.
      You have the floor and i cede the last word…though I know to Whom the last Word belongs despite anything you say or scripture you quote. The author of the book you like to beat people over the head with is present here and now…and He still is writing.
      You never did answer my question, did GOD speak to you concerning myself or did He not? I know His voice and not because I sought it or prayed for it because He did He Is…He Can He Does He Wills…He speaks “let there be” and it is done!
      All Praise be to God.
      All Glory be to God,
      in Jesus Holy Precious name..

      1. B.T.W., “PISSETH” is in the bible!

        1 Samuel 25:22

        So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
        In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

        1 Samuel 25:34

        For in very deed, as the Lord God of Israel liveth, which hath kept me back from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and come to meet me, surely there had not been left unto Nabal by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
        In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

        1 Kings 14:10

        Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.
        In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

        1 Kings 16:11

        And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends.
        In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

        1 Kings 21:21

        Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel,
        In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

        2 Kings 9:8

        For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel:
        You “pisseth” off many brethren.

        1. It means man child Anthony and was not being used in a derogatory way as it has been used here, you can both keep laughing but there is a time for everything and you will answer for your unkind and unloving attitude and Raul Lopez for his lack of repentance unless you both have True heart repentance not just the head as shown by your words and actions and remember we do not continue to sin when we are Born Again 1John3:9 right now you are both still in darkness 1John 2 but I’m praying you will see the Light and walk in The Spirit -Romans 8:1 K.J.V

          Christian Love – Anne

          P.S You don’t have a speck in your eye Anthony you have a Sawmill but since we are referring to weaknesses ans shortcomings and not your sin, I have more sawdust than you.

          1. Can’t argue with your grasp of biblical knowledge and comprehension only the lack of evidence of being put into practice. So what your saying is basically another spin instead of acceptance that you could possibly have been wrong…? You are infallible and perfect? Your perception of the Truth? You took exception to the perceived vulgarity of Pastor Raul’s use of the Word “Piss”, in this case he uses it to express a “righteous” anger. But the offense taken was only in your interpretation and perception n’est ce’ pas’? It was most likely a “Freudian” slip. But instead of forgiving and thinking to yourself, “that was a slip he’s just very passionate about this” You pounced on him with your “happy clappy” twisted view of a heart. Much like Jesus expressed a “righteous anger” towards the money-changers in the temple…the only difference is that was not the language of the day that existed. What you are not “grasping” dearest sister is this…God is sovereign and CAN EVEN USE THE SAWMILL! There is no cup to fill where pride exists. But the temple exchange was one of the few times that made Jesus really pissed off!!! Make no mistake about it “PISSED OFF!!!” Outraged, at someone or some people and how The Holy Temple was being exploited for gain, how it was a living contradiction and hypocrisy. And yes…in God’s eyes I and everyone else is immature that is why The Holy Spirit never ceases teaching and the grapes keep maturing on the vine, faith like a child and trusting in the Lord. Those are called “grapes” the ones that shrivel up on the vine in The Son…”RAISINS”, matter of fact “hell-raisins'”


            1. P.S.S.,
              There are many, many good uses for “sawdust”, such as pulp for paper, composite boards for constructive uses, mixed with glue can patch damaged wood surfaces and be sanded to a smooth finish. But my Dear one, “plastic” is not recyclable and will litter the landfills and landscapes indefinitely. How many sea-birds and fish have ingested and been ensnared or choked to death by carelessly discharged plastic six-pack beverage can holders at sea?
              The only good use for a plastic splinter might be to pick teeth, remove the rotting morsel lodged therein….hmmm?
              Consult your crystal ball and flying monkeys and get back to me…please do.

          2. So basically the gist of this is: “i’ll get you my pretty and your little friend Raul Lopez too” (followed by maniacal laughter, smoke and a meandering broom ride)
            Hey, you’ll never get these “ruby slippers” (gems) that way “no way Jose!”

          3. I feel really bad about this but I just can’t stay silent. I get these comments sent to my email and it kind of sucks that, after the apparent shut-down of conversation, my name is still showing up in places concerning a word that is QUESTIONABLE at best and leading towards acceptable.

            The same way that the writers mentioned used them is the same way that I used it. The inference to ‘pisseth on a wall’ is a descriptive of a noun (a man). I used the word to describe, in our language today, one that is angry enough that their control is lost to the point of bowel movements which is the implication. The same thing that occurs when someone pisses in their pants.

            Now, listen to my offense. I conceded to you an apology (not to God but to you because, I’m sorry, I didn’t offend God using that word) and instead of accepting said apology, you’re still at it with me. Now you can start saying I’m cursing because I will now follow direct insults at you.

            What in God’s Hell is wrong with you?! You come off like your crap don’t stink (notice I didn’t say the other word but the meaning is still the same). You’re a Senior like if that’s some great place to be. It means your old, lady. It doesn’t mean you’re wise. The wisdom of old age is what should be respected, not because someone reached a particular age and thinks that this is some special place to be.

            Time to start acting the fool but bare with me…

            So, let’s get on with offenses… You are an old witch. You are a prideful, misbegotten perverse rebellious woman (there is a word for that in English too and I didn’t say it). You have the ‘form of Godliness’ in your words but a parrot’s brain (bird brain) that can only repeat what someone else said and doesn’t even know what the person meant. You thought I was abusive then? Well, I dropped it but apparently you did not. I don’t give a donkey (there is another word for that too) what or who you see for spiritual guidance. I’m glad you don’t look for me! I’d have kicked you in the rear end (there is another word for that too closely associated to donkey) out of my house/church or whatever. You are the incarnation of a woman that is a busy-body engaged in all sorts of gossip and a maligner. Every word you speak is venomous like a snake and just like a snake, you want to hide in the grass. Go back to the kitchen and care for your husband or at least start learning the word of God before you go opening up that big donkey – ed mouth of yours cause, if what your posts show is you, that’s all you’re good for. You come off signing ‘Love’ but you have no inkling of what Love is… Love is self sacrifice for the recipient but, instead of sacrificing yourself, you take offense where none is given and drive people to hate. This is not the love that Christ had. You are a reviler… That’s a word you might want to pull a dictionary on! You are malicious… That’s another word you might want to pull a dictionary on… How about deceitful… Look up that one too. How about prideful? How about presumptuous… Know any of those words? They are descriptive of well, look in a mirror.

            You come across like, because you are a senior, that someone owes you something? A wise old woman knows already that the only thing life owes her is her grave. It is the main reason why a wise old woman is wise. You speak like if you are Jesus Christ himself and when someone tries to give you a peaceful way out, you keep grinding that fang into their skin.

            Ok… Now a little bit offensive like Jesus was: You are like a freshly painted graveyard, clean and pretty on the outside but looking a little deeper, full of rotting flesh and dead man’s bones (paraphrased from Jesus’ own words to the Pharisees). You hypocrite! You say I have no right to judge your words and yet follow through attempting to think that you have a right to ‘correct’ me? Who or what are you? God?

            You’re like the lady in I Corinthians 14 that Paul was talking about… What? Do you think that you are the sole owner of God’s word? You want to try to convince people you know what you’re talking about but you have crap as your foundation and your whole house sinks and stinks from it.

            Now let’s see what other sins I can find for you… Heck… I’ll just use one passage…
            2Ti 3:1-4
            lovers of their own selves
            false accusers
            despisers of those that are good

            This list only includes those things that you plainly show. I excluded others that may or may not apply to you.

            Now that I’m done acting the fool. Here’s a bit of wisdom now… I have everything here copied and will attempt to post it on my blog if things keep getting out of hand just in case this comment gets deleted or something like that. I’m copying and pasting everything that has occurred here that deals with me and will be posted if a question arises concerning what has occurred here.

            Did I mean everything I said? Yeah, Actually I did. You need to straighten up a bit and stop attempting to attack Men of God so much. Against an “ELDER” (not Senior and it doesn’t even mean Pastor either) bring no accusation unless you have two or three witnesses… Look at that for a sin (I Timothy 5:19). You’ve done that here at least three times to three different people.

            Please, simply keep my name out of your mouth if what follows after even hints at a derogatory statement and I won’t need to post or comment again in reference to this QUESTIONABLE use of a word clearly found in scripture.

            Thank you very much.
            Doulos Iesou Xristo en onoma auto

    2. Did I say “parrot” I’m very sorry, I held back “condor” but if I’m to be confronted and reproached might as well go for broke!
      I’m not even going to go into all the things you’ve taken out of contest sprinkling in actual quotes from me while peppering in your lies. It reads like a sick convoluted clipped art message from a kidnapper.
      If you are a TRUE CHRISTIAN I want out, I want no part of what you have!

  13. We all know there are some people here that are divided. At this point, rather than trying to convince the other person of our position, it would be better to drop it and let the Holy Spirit work as He wills.

    2,000 years ago, the Pharisees were then judging Christ and finding Him to be inadequate. He was not offering the kind of kingdom they anticipated or asking for the kind of righteousness they were exhibiting. So they rejected Him. Jesus therefore warned them against hypocritical judging in Matthew 7:1-6 (for which this post applies).

    This passage does not teach that judgments should never be made. Matthew 7:5 does speak of removing the speck from your brother’s eye. The Lord’s point was that a person should not be habitually critical or condemnatory of a “speck of sawdust” in someone else’s eye when he has “a plank”—a strong hyperbole for effect—in his “own eye.” Such action is hypocritical. Though judgment is sometimes needed, those making the distinctions must first be certain of their own lives.

    When seeking to help another, we must exercise care to do what would be appreciated and beneficial. We should never entrust holy things to unholy people: “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces” (Matt. 7:6).

    What does everyone think of yesterday’s article? (It is part 2 of this post).

    I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

    1. There can be no division if not ever part of a whole.
      I’m not doing this for argument’s sake but on principle!
      You call somebody a liar and God hates a liar, you better have your facts straight.
      Hey if I go down the road and hit a pothole and lose a hubcap…no big deal.
      if I go down the road and hit a pothole and lose a tooth…well that’s more of a concern.
      if I go down the road and bend a rim and the tire goes flat…I’m going to leave a cone, a flare, some kind of warning to approaching unaware motorists capische’?
      Having said that I shall move on…and ask your forgiveness for what I felt to be necessary yet disrespectful and inconsiderate of your space.
      “pisseth” contest over.
      God Bless.

      1. B.T.W. Pastor, I was so moved by your efforts to play peacekeeper that I thought to share this message to both factions of the Israeli/Hamas conflict and see if peace blooms because of words.
        Maybe I should deliver the message myself, care to come with me…didn’t think so.
        I love you, but I am a realist…and this is war! Servant bought and ransom paid for in full by an authority well above yours or mine.
        God Bless.

    2. Just wanted to mention that I think the title of these two messages is good, Key word being loving! Both messages are great!!! Thanks for sharing them.

      1. Love comes in many forms.
        So does the enemy.
        What gives him away more than anything is ridicule/mockery will always reveal his hand(vain-glory, pride etc.), Remember that well, flushes him right out like a moth to a flame..

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